Lani (2016-05-29 14:32:18)

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@Twilight

"But what do you know? Our Father was going to come to earth even if he didn't commit the sin, God planned all this to let people know heaven is not an ordinary place, like the great planner our God is."

I'm not entirely sure what you meant by this...I'm not too familiar with Muslim beliefs on where man/life began, I just know that the Bible's account for Adam's existence is different from what you stated.

I'm assuming you're getting many of your questions/confusion from Muslim teachings...Christianity teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, who was sent to earth to sacrifice himself for our sins. "Why was Jesus given a book when he could just "save" you by getting executed?"....I mean, that's literally what we believe he did..saved us through execution...I'm not sure what book you're referring to, but according to the Bible, Jesus wasn't given anything...being part of God, he already knew/knows everything. Also, being the Son of God does make him greater than any other prophet. There are many Bible verses throughout scriptures that claim he's God...Jesus was even recorded saying it himself.

"Why didn't God promise the same thing to the followers of Mosses?"

I'm not sure if Muslim's account of Moses is the same as Christian's, but for Christianity, Moses's chapter had taken place during the old testament, before Jesus died on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice and ushered in the New Covenant....during the old testament, Judaism was the "official religion" of God...however, despite Judaism being more strict--requiring rituals and animal sacrifices--God's intent has always been to have a relationship with us. There were many times when the Jews were reprimanded because they were focusing too much on just doing the rituals and sacrifces as works.

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matt 7:22-23)

Would you marry someone if you knew they were only marrying you for your money? Why should God let you in to Heaven if you just want to walk on streets of gold?
We're not trying to earn anything...heaven isn't for us, it's for God. God made us for Himself, not for us. Heaven isn't a reward for our deeds, it's only a reward if you desire to be in His presence.

What I've been trying to say, is that works alone do not save us. Our works should merely be the fruits of our spirits, not a checklist of things to do to get to heaven... I could provide a handful of verses that convinced me of this belief, if you'd prefer that over my rambling

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TwilightWinter (2016-05-29 16:08:44)

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@Lani

(1)I'm not entirely sure what you meant by this ....

Shouldn't be different though. There were words from the God in the Bible, but I don't know who among the Christians tried to correct God by editing the Bible. There is a verse in the Bible which says something like God doesn't need to be modern, or something like that. Then why was the Bible edited? Qur'an unlike Bible, is in its pure form.

(2)I'm assuming you're getting many of your questions/confusion from Muslim teachings...

By "the book" I meant Bible.
So you're implying that I'm confused from Muslim teaching.. You can't really say that I am confused, because Protestant Christianity is confusing. Why is it confusing? Because Mary was a human(you believe that?), who miraculously gave birth to Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ also looked like a human being. God doesn't look like humans. God is made of light. How could a person be the son of God even if he is a prophet. If he is the son of God, why aren't other prophets sons of God. Does it make sense? God having a family. Two family members lived on earth while one lives way up. Jesus Christ was not the son of God, he was a prophet who was given miracles by God.
God answered in the Qur'an - 112 (Surah Ikhlas):

"He is Allah, the One! Allah the eternally besought of all. He begetteth not nor was begotten.. And there is none comparable unto Him."

The highlighted verse No.2 of the above Surah means "Allah has no son/daughter, nor is He someone's son."

(3)I'm not sure if Muslim's account of Moses is the same as Christian's, but for Christianity, Moses's chapter..

Again, should be same, but the fact that the Bible has been edited by Christians, It can't be the same.


(4)"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matt 7:22-23)

God can't NEVER say this. God says in Qur'an that He loves his creation more than a mother loves her children. It is ridiculous how that verse says "I never knew you." Only a human forget things, God never forgets. God will not ignore the work, never. People who try to find the true path in this world, God either show them the true path or forgive them in the day of judgement.

(5)Would you marry someone if you knew they were only marrying you for your money? Why should..

“And We created not the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, for mere play.
We created them not except with truth (i.e. to examine and test those who are obedient and those who are disobedient and then reward the obedient ones and punish the disobedient ones), but most of them know not.”

[Al-Dukhaan 44:38]

God KNOWS we don't want to worship him. He KNOWS that all we want to do is enjoy the life. Allah want to test us by telling what reward we could get, and by making strict laws to follow. God just want to prove Satan wrong, he said he will take everyone to hell with him. God said he cannot, because some of the beings will be sincere with God.

The example you used isn't applicable to God.

(6)Heaven isn't a reward for our deeds, it's only a reward if you desire to be in His presence.

You can't achieve something by simply desiring. You have to do something for it, you have to make sacrifices, you have to "waste" your time to achieve something. Heaven, the place where you and I, and every single person belongs, the perfect land could only be achieved by people who work hard for it.

What Muslims do to achieve heaven:
->Muslims have to watch where his/her hands are going.
->Muslims have to watch what his/her eyes are watching, what his/her ears are listening, where his/her legs are going.
->Muslims have to come to the Masjid after every 1 and half hour (average) to worship.
->Muslims must fast for a whole month with very short eating breaks between each fast.
->Muslims have to perform Hajj (visit Makkah) at least once in life.
->Muslims have to give 1/4th of their annual income to the poor and needy.
->Muslims (male/female) are NOT allowed to show their body to someone who they do not know (Hiding the face is NOT necessary). But people like to be more stereotypical about woman.
-> Muslims have to sacrifice a Halal animal to pay respect to Abraham who nearly sacrificed his son just because God ordered.


What Protestant Christians have to do:

-> Just believe and admit that you're saved by Jesus Christ, the son of God, who died ( son of God "died" ) for your sins( he himself never commit a sin, so he died for others' sins ). Doesn't matter if they murder someone, rape a innocent woman or hurt somebody's feelings, they'll still go to heaven because they're saved by Jesus Christ.

->Go to the Church every Sunday to purify your soul.

Take an example of a person who works extremely hard for his English test, while another person who thinks he already is a PhD in English and does no preparation for the test. Imagine the one who worked extremely hard fails, and the one who didn't prepared anything passes the test. Is it possible? The only way it is possible is by cheating.
Cheating is what I have been talking about.
If you have some convincing verses from Bible, do show. Because the one above didn't make ANY sense.

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little5 (2016-05-29 17:29:51)

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Ya'll getting a little too deep

These posts are just getting longer and longer

here is the (adorable) dean winchester:


-He has died over 105 times
-He had been to Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven (edit: I forgot Fairyland)
-He's been face fo face with Satan, God, and all the archangels
-He's met Cain
-He's fought Cain
-He's been a demon
-His boyfriend is an angel who's died a few times
-His boyfriend gripped him tight and raised him from perdition
-His boyfriend isn't really his boyfriend but we like to think that ):
-His "boyfriend" was God once
-His "boyfriend" smited(?) smought(?) smitted(?) smote a hypocrite preacher while he preached against homosexuality
-He's also been face to face with Athena and Zeus
-And the Antichrist
-And he's killed a ton of Pagan gods
-He's started the apocalypse
-And ended
-And started it again
-He's also met the four horsemen
-I'm *pretty* sure God's sister wants to him

Let's ask him

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little5 (2016-05-29 17:39:54)

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^
He's got daddy issues but he's nowhere near emo.
He doesn't even wear all black.
It's not like he's done this stuff on purpose

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SMOGamerX (2016-05-30 03:06:56)

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Holy its just a thread about life after death, we don't need all that...

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TwilightWinter (2016-05-30 07:14:16)

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@mega

I am quite sure the "political reasons" are stereotypes.

Q: Why should I convert to Islam? Most of the Muslims are ticking time bombs..

A: We have bad and good people in our society, I'm sure not every christian not every Mormon, not every Hindu is a good person.
Yes, it is unfortunate for Islam that there are groups of terrorists who spread terrorism just for a purpose to "spread Islam". That's a lie. That's not spreading Islam, that's defaming Islam.
You can't even call them Muslims because they don't even follow the basic rules!

God says in the Qur'an:

“Whoever kills a person [innocent person]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

Does any other religion says this? Check the Bible or any other religious book. It is not Islam's fault if there are some people who do not follow the real Islam. No doubt they'll be punished.

There is a saying of Muhammad (SAW) in Sahih Muslim, which says:
"During the end times, there will be some people who will spread terrorism in the name of Islam. But they would have nothing to do with it."

Q: Why should I convert to Islam when they don't give rights to women?

A: Before Islam, the Arabs were Barbarians. They didn't like when a girl was born, they would bury her alive. But after the advent of Islam, Islam was who gave women their rights. The only reason people say that Islam has no rights for women is because "they aren't allowed to show their face." Whoever first said this should get his/her facts right. Hiding the face is not necessary. Yes, woman needs to hide their body, you won't believe how much this lowers the social crime rate. Social crimes are way up in the non-Muslim countries.
Besides, it isn't only the women who are not allowed to show their body. A adult man, is not allowed to show his arms above the elbow. He is not allowed to show his body above his knees, he is also not allowed to show his knees. That makes a person look more respectable.

People like to be more stereotypical about woman.
I'll answer more questions, If you have some..

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Answering Your Question:

Muslims have to pray 5 times a day. The amount of prayers to say, depends upon what time is it.

-> Fajr Time (Just before Dawn): Fajr is a four Rakat prayer. Divided into two parts.

-> Dhuhar (At noon): Dhuhar is a 12 Rakat prayer divided in to 4 parts.

-> Asr (After noon): Asr is 8 Rakat prayer
divided into 2 parts.

-> Maghrib (When the sun sets): Meghrib is a 7 Rakat prayer divided in to three parts.

-> Ishaa (At night before sleeping): Ishaa is a 17 Rakat prayer divided in to 6 parts.

*By prayer above I means "Namaz".

There are also many other type of prayers we need to say/perform. But the above are essential.

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Nemesis (2016-05-30 21:39:06)

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This, to me, is a bad use of time.

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little5 (2016-05-30 22:04:10)

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Was I Muhammad in my past life

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TwilightWinter (2016-05-30 22:33:47)

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mohammad also married a 6 year old and also beheaded people

Read the Qur'an... Please. By the way, not gonna post again here.

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DJJericho (2016-05-31 15:09:02)

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I ᗷEᒪIEᐯE I ᗯIᒪᒪ GO TO ᕼEᗩᐯEᑎ

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Nemesis (2016-05-31 16:54:30)

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Duh duh DUHHHHHHH!!!!

Meanwhile Abraham's wife was like 90 years old

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TwilightWinter (2016-05-31 16:58:42)

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@MarioErmando

Your knowledge about Islam is extremely limited. You want the true religion to come on your doorstep (explains why you chose to be an atheist). You haven't learned anything about Islam either (explains why you have such misconceptions).

Clarifying your misconceptions:

(1)mohammad also married a 6 year old

The 6 years old you're talking about is Ayesha (may God be pleased with her).
She tells the story herself. When she was 6 years old, she entered her house and saw Mohammad (peace be upon him) with his father. She heard that her father OFFERED Mohammad (PBUH) to marry her 6 years old daughter. Mohammad (PBUH) rejected, at that time, because she was too young. Ayesha ran outside to play after that. Ayesha said she had seen her father ask Mohammad (PBUH) many times about marrying her.
Finally, she says when she was old enough. She got married to Mohammad (PBUH), and NOT at the age of 6.

Why would a six years old leave her parents like that and get married to an adult?
Qur'an says:

"O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will." - Qur'an 4:19

Of course, Ayesha didn't want to marry an adult at the age of 6.

But yes, when she was old enough she actually did marry Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) because she was a believer and wanted to marry Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).

But why did Mohammad (PBUH) marry a girl who was not that old?

That was a part of his teaching. There are many people all around the world who marry women way too younger than them. Mohammad (PBUH) wanted to teach how to treat your wife who is very young (not 6 or 7 for God sake).
Also, Ayesha was a virgin, throughout her life. She never had a child. This teaches us:

"..not to rush into having sex with them until they are ready and fully prepared."

Ayesha never had a child, but still in the Qur'an she was given the title of "Mother of all believers". This was because: God gifted her for her dedication and patience.

Some more information to get you on the right side.

(2)..and also beheaded people

This depends on from where you read it.

If you read it from the battle against Banu Quraizah. Then beheading all of them was totally worth it. Since they were the people who wanted to kill Mohammad (PBUH) from the very start (what if Mohammad (PBUH) didn't behead them? They would've killed Mohammad (PBUH) then..). Muslims had such a small army and Banu Quraizah outnumbered them. Still Muslims won the battle and captured 600-900 people and only two Muslims were killed in the battle (How could it be possible? Because God wanted to protect Muhammad (PBUH)).
The 600-900 who were captured were men, women and children. Mohammad (PBUH) chose not to do anything to women and children, but he decided to behead or execute all of the men, because they could prove to be a threat to Muslims. For the women, and children. Mohammad (PBUH) kept them and took care of them..


More questions will be answered!

When I said "read the Qur'an", I didn't ignore the question. I said that to stop you from learning Islam from the internet and non-Muslims..

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Nemesis (2016-05-31 16:59:21)

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UH HELLO I'm pretty sure you said you wouldn't be posting here again.

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TwilightWinter (2016-05-31 18:07:30)

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^ LOL. He made me by saying that I'm ignoring the question. I'm sorry, I will be posting, if I needed too.

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@mega

Mohammad (PBUH) wasn't the founder of Islam. He was a prophet who was sent by God to persuade people to follow Islam (Prophet Mohammad's (peace be upon him) way was persuasion not coercion). God was the founder of Islam.

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