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FrequentDeath (2013-02-12 20:51:05)[IMG]http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/035/d/6/d6e1a8e45dd70a8ee1e113b481363d2c-d4oo14z.gif[/img]
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FrequentDeath (2013-02-12 20:52:24)Daft, Mau5, Excicon, And Knife party ARE dubstep. Get YOUR facts straight, not ours.
Edit: And some of YOUR Dubstep examples are Electro.
WHOEVER THINKS THIS NEEDS TO HAVE THEIR BALLS SAWED OFF.
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Enzo (2013-02-13 00:17:09)People who say Skrillex isn't Dubstep need to grow up and except the fact that genres evolve. Rock doesn't sound like it did 50 years ago,but we still call it rock.
FrequentDeath (2013-02-13 02:29:41)I'm willing to assist in the question that the title of this topic suggests, but I'm not sure what the body of your post is attempting to ask. What do I notice about that track? Well, I notice that it's 85-90 BPM (I think, could be a bit off but I think it's around there), which means it's nowhere near electrohouse or even dubstep.
I also don't know that I would describe the drum pattern as "break beats". I think of break beats when I hear stuff like this, about halfway through (an absolute classic). The song you linked has a pretty clear emphasis on every beat. Sure there might be some stuff in between, but in order for it to be breakbeat, it really needs to have some major focus on off-beats and lesser focus on main beats, to create some real syncopation. To give my best written sound example, instead of a steady rhythm of just BOOM.. ts BAH.. BOOM.. ts BAH it needs to be something like BOOM ts BAH ts boom da boom BAH, not just a few notes steadily placed in between a four-on-the-floor pattern. It needs to be broken up (aka breakbeat) in a way that's still catchy but not so obvious.
So what is my definition of electro-house? It's electronic music that's around 128 bpm. SO many tracks in the genre today are 125-128 bpm. A lot of stuff goes far below that, and some goes a bit above that which is acceptable to a certain point, but at some point closer to 140 bpm it becomes trance/hardstyle (which is also around the same bpm where it could become dubstep, but that's a half-step pattern which makes it seem like it's ~70 bpm). A four-on-the-floor pattern at ~128 bpm makes it house or techno. The distinction there is that house is much more melodic. If anything is "catchy" it's house. If you hear a synth-line that you really love, it's house. Techno has a much bigger focus on the rhythm and drum-pattern than house does, which usually focuses a lot on the melody.
In order to make a distinction between electro-house and other kinds of house, you need to pay attention to how the melody is formed. Electro-house originally was really funky and sometimes utilized overdriven synths. That really funky style is what you would hear in a track like Daft Punk - Robot Rock which unfortunately has been lost a bit to more in-your-face styles of electro-house recently. Over-driven synths are what you hear on a track like Boys Noize - & Down (which is still a fantastic track). If you ever hear that sound, it's pretty safe to bet it's electro-house. In fact, most of what you would hear posted on this sub-reddit uses so much over-driven synth that it's hard to confuse it at all with other forms of house once you know what you're hearing. For example, Dada life uses TONS of the over-driven sound on everything. The sound that Kaskade uses in the climax of Eyes is just SO electro-house.
Since I've said that it's hard to confuse stuff posted on here with other forms of house, you might be wondering just what is confusing about the genres of tracks posted on here. Well, with the recent popularity of the dubstep genre, or more specifically, the genre people are calling "brostep", there has been a big carry-over in styles to the electro-house genre. What people are calling brostep is very different from the roots of dubstep, which is a completely different argument on its own. But to make the distinction, I will be talking about what is called "brostep" and calling it that as well. Brostep has made its claim to fame on being extremely high-energy music that is very danceable, like Doctor P and Flux Pavilion's remix of DJ Fresh's "Louder", which you've probably all heard by now. Does that style sound familiar? Probably. Over-driven, extremely catchy, vocal hooks, build-ups to big and energetic sections, the list goes on. It all has elements of electro-house in it, and to be completely honest, electro-house gets more like brostep every day, and brostep gets more like electro-house every day. But they're still different. So where is the distinction made?
Well there are still a few notable distinctions, but the most obvious is in the drum beat and tempo. The tempo of electro-house, as I said before, is usually ~128. Dubstep is usually ~140. This is a reasonably big difference, but isn't quite so big if you aren't used to making a distinction between these two sounds. So how can you tell the difference between these two genres? Well don't worry, it's actually pretty easy. Think of your favorite house song. Any one will probably do, but to give an example, here's Danger - 14H54. Starting at the ~0:03 mark, there's a pretty steady beat. This beat has a bass drum beat on every beat of every measure. If that doesn't make sense to you, don't worry. Just know that the big and constant beat of BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM is considered a four on the floor pattern. That means the bass drum hits on every beat.
In dubstep, things are very different. A 140 bpm track with a four on the floor pattern would sound very similar, just a bit faster. Like I said, dubstep is 140 bpm, but there's an important factor that makes a huge difference. Dubstep generally focuses on a half-step pattern. What does that mean? Well there are usually (but not always) four beats in a bar in electronic music. In house music like that Danger track I linked, every bass drum beat (every BOOM sound) is one beat in the bar. So a bar would be BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM. But in dubstep, it's a half-step pattern. That essentially means half as many beats. So instead of BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM, it's BOOM ~pause~ BOOM ~pause~. That's half-step, and since there are only 2 main beats instead of four, it's also considered 2-step (which is big in the garage genre where 2-step garage is a great deal different from other types of garage).
In dubstep, the rhythm is usually a half-step (2-step) kick-snare that sounds like: kick (BOOM), snare (BAP). So it sounds like BOOM ~pause~ BAP ~pause~, repeat. This is easily seen in the track I posted earlier, Doctor P and Flux Pavilion's remix of DJ Fresh's "Louder". At ~0:28 seconds there's a four on the floor beat. I know I said this is a house beat not dubstep, but sometimes you see it in brostep tracks for build-ups, but the meat of the track is still half-step. The drop and usually the melody of the track will be half step. But it's a good example for distinction. So listen for that BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM sound starting at 0:28 (which is four on the floor at ~140 bpm), and then at ~0:42, it starts going BOOM pause BAP pause (which is half-step [and 2-step in this case] at ~140 bpm). If you were to count every other beat at 0:28, it would be BOOM pause BOOM pause. If you kept this count going until 0:42, you would be right on target for the sound at 0:42.
So if instead of thinking of every other beat as a pause, you just ignore that paused beat, you have a sound like BOOM... BAP... BOOM... BAP. Since it's every other beat of a 140 bpm track, it sounds like it's 70 bpm. That seems much slower than the ~128 sounds of house. A very obvious example of this is in Skrillex's "Rock N Roll". Most of the track is house, but at 2:23 it changes to a wobbly dubstep sound. If you listen to percussion alone, you'll notice the track clearly changes from a fast-paced danceable BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM to a slower, more head-nodding BOOM pause BAP pause BOOM pause BAP etc. This is a very clear distinction between house music and dubstep music. Now you may also notice a big change in the sounds of the synths being played during that synth section. You have a good ear if you do, and you're right. Dubstep has (or at least had) a very different sound regardless of drum pattern, from house. But as both sounds grew in popularity, dubstep took elements from house, house took elements from dubstep, and eventually they both got close enough that it's hard to tell the difference in synth sound alone.
That's the whole reason for typing up a big distinction. The genres are very similar today. Electro-house can be whompy and heavy, which is something that would've only been associated with dubstep a couple of years ago, and dubstep can be danceable and catchy, which is something that would've never been assocated with dubstep a couple of years ago. The best examples of this (that I can think of) are Knife Party's "Internet Friends", and tracks like that DJ Fresh remix I posted earlier. That Knife Party track is EXTREMELY brostep influenced at 1:50 with wobbles and distortion everywhere, but is also certainly electro-house with it's four on the floor (remember, BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM) danceable pattern. A dubstep pattern in that section would be more of a head-nodding groove than a purely danceable section.
Too Long; Did not Read! : House goes DOOF DOOF DOOF DOOF, dubstep goes BOOM... BAP...BOOM...BAP
If any of this at all is confusing, feel free to ask absolutely anything. I'd be more than happy to answer. Thanks to anyone who read all this.
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Enzo (2013-02-14 03:59:13)Whoa don't you think it's a bit harsh to wish death upon someone for misspelling something?
WYoshiX2 (2013-02-16 15:10:11)I've been listening to some of Noisia's drum & bass stuff, it's pretty good.
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Well to name a few, I like listening to deadmau5, Skrillex, Pendulum, Knife Party, Zomboy, Excision, Noisia, and Dirtyphonics.
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